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主题::比较的对象 :2013/11/30 23:14:50


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enkyklios

1. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as DVD players
2. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as for school teachers.
3. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four time as many as in China.

请问老师这三句话是正确的吗?这后边的比较分别省略了什么呢?

管理员[admin]回复:

我个人认为三个句子都是对的,只是逗号后的内容分别针对了前面句子的不同成分:  

1. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as DVD players.  

four times as many as DVD players 针对的比较对象是 PC  

2. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as for school teachers.  

four times as many as DVD players 针对的比较对象是 pupils  

3. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as in China.  

four times as many as DVD players 针对的比较对象是 in America

三句均可视为在 four times as many as…前面省略了 which is

回复时间: 2013/12/1 16:13:05
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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/1 17:45:08


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enkyklios

那which指代什么呢?

管理员[admin]回复:

1. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as DVD players.= There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, which (the PCs) is four times as many as DVD players.

2. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as for school teachers.=There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, which (the PCs) is four times as many as (the PCs) for school teachers. 

3. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as in China.= There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, which (the PCs) is four times as many as (the PCs) in China.

回复时间: 2013/12/1 17:54:50
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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/1 19:27:44


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enkyklios

谢谢管理员老师的回答;

但是有个问题,这样解释which成了定语从句;前边的先行词是Pc 而前边说的是one Pc, which作为关系代词数应该和先行词相同。所以Pcs没有办法解释呀

管理员[admin]回复:

其实,虽然one PC是单数,但one PC for every 32 pupils并不一定是单数,因为它的意思是“每32名学生有一台PC机”,如果是64名学生呢?那就是2PC机;如果是96名学生呢?那就是3PC机;……。这就好比说 one out of ten students一样,它指的是“10个学生中有1个”,即十分之一的学生。请看一个类似的例子:  

About one in every 20 people have clinical depression. 大约每20个人中有1个患有临床抑郁症。(摘自柯林斯)  

这个句子的谓语用了复数,因为“每20个人中有1个”,它暗示“每40个人中就有2个”,“每60个人中有3个”……(当然仅从主谓一致的角度来考虑,本句用单数谓语也是可能的,即将其视为一个整体)。

要不然,就把上面的句子这样来改写吧:

1. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as DVD players.= There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, which (one PC for every 32 pupils) is four times as many as DVD players (for pupils).  

2. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as for school teachers.=There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, which (one PC for every 32 pupils) is four times as many as (the PCs) for school teachers.   

3. There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as in China.= There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, which (one PC for every 32 pupils) is four times as many as (the PCs for pupils) in China.

回复时间: 2013/12/1 22:37:51
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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/1 22:12:02


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enkyklios

非常感谢!  

我仔细看了一下,首先 one in every 20 people 这个应该前边可以看成是个分数,相当于half of 所以后边可以用复数。  

但是 one PC for every 32 pupils,这里的宾语就是one PC, for every 32 pupils 应当是相当于状语。所以后边which 如果代替one PC,或者PC 后边没有办法as many as CD Plyers; 如果which代替的是 one PC for every 32 pupil 那么相当于关系代词同时指代了两种成分(宾语和状语)我认为这是不应该的。  

不知道我的理解是否有误?

管理员[admin]回复:

Which 指代“两种成分”是完全可能的,如:  

He was probably talking to himself, which he often did now. ——摘自《柯林斯语法系列——连词》  

很显然,句中的 which 指代 talking(动词) to himself(状语)  

事实上,which 不仅可以指代两种成分,有时甚至可以指代三种或多种成分,或是一个完整的句子。

回复时间: 2013/12/1 23:45:27
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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/1 22:50:15


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enkyklios

指代句子的情况非常常见,指代两句成份例如主语或者宾语+定语也很多。

但是如果两个成分一个是宾语一个是状语我一时还想不起来。

上边这个例子He was probably talking to himself,

这里talling to himeself应该算是一个复合的成份,就像动名词有复合结构一样。

上边这个宾语和状语按道理来讲不应该能够算是一个结构

管理员[admin]回复:

这里说明两点:  

一、talking to himself不是复合成分  

He was probably talking to himself, which he often did now.  

which 指代 talking to himself。这不是复合成分,也不是动名词复合结构,而是“动词+状语”。  

二、which既然连句子都可以指代,为什么又不可以指代“宾语+状语”呢?  

Avoid abrasives on the tiles, which can damage. 避免在瓷砖上使用磨蚀剂,那样可能会造成损坏。  

which 指代 abrasives (宾语) on the tiles (状语)  

回复时间: 2013/12/3 21:10:52
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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/2 8:15:18


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enkyklios

He was probably talking to himself, which he often did now.

这里确实不是复合结构,我的只是打个比方说talling to himself在整个结构上是一个成份,动名词可以有自己的状语,但是句子层面上我们只能说它们整体做表语。

Avoid abrasives on the tiles, which can damage

这里有两个问题;

1.Avoid abrasives on the tiles 是什么意思?

它的意思应该是Avoid using abrasives on the tiles 和talling to himself一样它应该整体是一个结构。尽管按道理来讲名词不可以有自己的状语。但不管怎么样它不是句子的状语。

我们把on the tiles 放到句首; on the tiles Avoid abrasives.我认为这时侯意思就变成了在地板上避免使用腐蚀剂-----只要你站在地板上就不要用,你可能只是用腐蚀剂腐蚀别的东西,但在地板上不要这样去做。

2. 如果这个句子加上主语会怎么样?

I avoid abrasive on the tile ,which ……。我认为这时侯意思就会变的完全相反----我不在地板上使用腐蚀剂----结果腐蚀了地板。

按照上边的理解,我认为宾语和状语单独是没有办法理解的肯定加上谓语,它和句子的区别就在于抛开了主语。但这时会造成岐义。我们没有办法判断到底是指代句子还是宾语加状语。

另外我不明白的还有one Pc for every 32 students 这里相当于一个分子分母都有单位的分数。

每32人一台电脑,这比老师多多了,或者这比CD多多了----我认为比较的对象不对等。

不知道我的理解哪里出了错,请管理员老师指正我

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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/2 8:32:29


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enkyklios

avoid using abrasives on the tiles 的表述可能也有问题

因为我不知道on the tiles 倒底算是补语还是怎么回事,我的意思是说on the tiles肯定是和abrasives 在句子中整体上是一个成份。on the tiles不是句子的状语

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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/5 12:04:50


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enkyklios

继续顶

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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/6 10:17:47


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qinjianyu

There is one PC for every 32 pupils in America, four times as many as DVD players.

To begin with the first,I can tell what is left out in the sentence is ‘for every 32 pupils in America’ that follows the ‘DVD players’.  

How many DVD  players are there for every 32 pupils in America?  

Though I am not good at maths,the answer is easy for me to work out.That is, there is 1/4 DVD player for every 32 pupils in America. So the completed sentence is: there is one PC for every 32 pupils in America,four times as many as DVD plays for every 32 pupils in America.  

And I think the others can be solved this way.  

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回复::Re: 比较的对象 :2013/12/6 14:26:41


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enkyklios

qinjian没有看我们的讨论

我上边可能当成状语也不恰当,不知道这算不算个分数。如果是状语肯定不能这样比,如果是个分数我们按照管理员老师的思路。

One PC for every 2pupils is four times as many as DVD plyers (for every 32 pupils in America) 这里dvd plyer 连一个都不能怎么会是复数?

总之我认为这不是一个正确的句子,我也没有见过这样的比较。顺便说一句,这个句子并不是来自什么权威工具书或者书刊,只是一些网友跟据考试题自己推演的。

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